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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:15:39
Oh the verbal smack down is too much
  
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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:28:28
LucaF wrote:

I think his statement should be read as: he will gain quickly bpos by playing him at SS/C even in league games. Even if he has low bpos there, he won't be a liability as SS/C doesn't play against the pass.



Even if that is true, it assumes that your opponent doesn't figure that out and focus passing down the middle to exploit him.

And SS's do seem to slow down an offense, or at least keep the completions shorter.
  
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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:38:43
lvess wrote:

LucaF wrote:

I think his statement should be read as: he will gain quickly bpos by playing him at SS/C even in league games. Even if he has low bpos there, he won't be a liability as SS/C doesn't play against the pass.



Even if that is true, it assumes that your opponent doesn't figure that out and focus passing down the middle to exploit him.

And SS's do seem to slow down an offense, or at least keep the completions shorter.



I think we have pretty strong evidence that SS/C don't play a role in the passing game even if the opponent focus passing down the middle and I thought everyone was aware of that. However, SS/L and SS/R definitely play a role against the pass, and FS too, of course
  
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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:45:54
LucaF wrote:

I think we have pretty strong evidence that SS/C don't play a role in the passing game even if the opponent focus passing down the middle and I thought everyone was aware of that. However, SS/L and SS/R definitely play a role against the pass, and FS too, of course



Gatr22 wrote:

I actually have found that my defense shuts down offenses better with 2 SS's playing instead of 2 FS's



I am with Gat22. My defense is better with a SS/C and FS/C no matter which one of my safeties are playing FS/C.
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:51:11
Abcat won an iron bowl with just the one ss/c
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 19:52:32
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Abcat won an iron bowl with just the one ss/c



damn so much proof up in this bitch that ss/c is absolutely irrelevant its crazy
  
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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:24:27
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Abcat won an iron bowl with just the one ss/c



well, I think on defense the factor was one of the best MLB in the world, not a 20 years old SS/C. By playing only one MLB and no FS or SS/L or SS/R, I think we have strong evidence you are guaranteed he plays a role in every pass thrown, while the SS/C is pretty much useless.

However, will never know if a superstar SS/C have a positive influence to the other defenders, but I don't think so the same question can be asked about the defensive line: better DTs help DEs?
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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:26:10
LucaF wrote:

I think we have strong evidence you are guaranteed he plays a role in every pass thrown, while the SS/C is pretty much useless.



Call! As a nOOb, i'd like to see that strong evidence.
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:28:50
lvess wrote:

LucaF wrote:

I think his statement should be read as: he will gain quickly bpos by playing him at SS/C even in league games. Even if he has low bpos there, he won't be a liability as SS/C doesn't play against the pass.



Even if that is true, it assumes that your opponent doesn't figure that out and focus passing down the middle to exploit him.

And SS's do seem to slow down an offense, or at least keep the completions shorter.



I've never done any studies on the SS/C, so I can't comment. What I was saying was that the SS/R and SS/L seem to slow down offenses better than the FS/R and FS/L. They do take part in the pass defense and in my studies, reduces the yardage on completions. I've had good success with both, but when the FS's have a bad game, you will lose. With the SS's, it just seems, on average, that you can get away with a bad game and still win sometimes.

With that said, I still go back and fourth with both set ups, 2 SSs or 2 FSs........it keeps my opponent guessing and quite frankly, I think it's more important what my offense does anyway. My thoughts are that if the computer is simply zoning up the players you have, regardless of where you play them, then if the bulk of passes in the game you are looking at end up where one of your SS's are guarding, then they will be involved in the calculations there. I think it's that simple from a game engine standpoint. To prove this point, play without a CB on one side and see if the OLB and MLB or OLB and either FS or SS on that side take part in missed tackles. The unfortunate part of this is that we don't get tackle information on completed passes and we don't get defense information on incomplete passes (like who was in the area to break up the passes). That information would be awesome to understand the game engine better.
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:31:31
Gatr22 wrote:

I've never done any[thing] ... to understand the game engine better.



I agree with Gat22!Last edited on 2015-06-24 at 20:31
  

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