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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:31:53
LucaF wrote:

mrcasado wrote:

Abcat won an iron bowl with just the one ss/c



well, I think on defense the factor was one of the best MLB in the world, not a 20 years old SS/C. By playing only one MLB and no FS or SS/L or SS/R, I think we have strong evidence you are guaranteed he plays a role in every pass thrown, while the SS/C is pretty much useless.

However, will never know if a superstar SS/C have a positive influence to the other defenders, but I don't think so the same question can be asked about the defensive line: better DTs help DEs?



What we do know about DT's, DE's, NT's and LB's is that they are all included in the 1st calculation of defensive rush vs pass protection on every pass play. Use that information for whatever you want, but I think if you have big strong and high skilled players, they should be on the defensive line or in the LB positions to help with this calculation. Hopefully that would equal better chances at pressures/sacks and take the ball out of the offense hands
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:35:10
SrednaD wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

I've never done any[thing] ... to understand the game engine better.



I agree with Gat22!



I believe you have misquoted me
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:36:25
All I can say about DE's and DT's is that weak DT's (BPOS and defensive skills) do not affect the DE's play.

Same opponent. League and cup games. DE Abildgaard (RDE) plays with same DT's (two prospects with low BPOS and tackling / agility).

No production
1 sack and 7 pressures

Edit: Someone will find the flaw in my examples.
  

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Posted on 2015-06-24 20:41:35
SrednaD wrote:

All I can say about DE's and DT's is that weak DT's (BPOS and defensive skills) do not affect the DE's play.

Same opponent. League and cup games. DE Abildgaard (RDE) plays with same DT's (two prospects with low BPOS and tackling / agility).

No production
1 sack and 7 pressures



Yes, but in theory the chances are elevated if you have two vets playing DT's. There are still the rolls on every play which can change the results as easy as losing a country in risk when you are heavily favored to win. I'm convinced over the course of a season with 2 vets at DT and then the next season with 2 prospects at DT would show a difference for your DE stats. Try it out, I have and just remember this game is very much like risk, you can't get enough data from any one game
  

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Posted on 2015-06-25 12:17:10
So my 6m investment did not only bring a good player to my team, it also helped my understanding of what SS do or do not do.
  
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Posted on 2015-06-25 14:22:27
I can confirm that a SSc will never make or miss a tackle in a game vs the pass. So that means a MLB will be involved in every play with a CB or OLB if there are no other SFs on the field (5-3, 4-4 or 3-5).

But there's no way I'd play a weak player @ SSc and think this wasn't hurting the overall effectiveness of my D.
  
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Posted on 2015-06-25 14:40:25
see this game

My CBs and SSc make/miss zero tackles. He must have passed down the middle.

His WR went 9/16 for 339yds and 4 TDs!

Luckily my offence was even hotter on the day!
  
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Posted on 2015-06-25 14:51:38
hosh13 wrote:

I can confirm that a SSc will never make or miss a tackle in a game vs the pass. So that means a MLB will be involved in every play with a CB or OLB if there are no other SFs on the field (5-3, 4-4 or 3-5).

But there's no way I'd play a weak player @ SSc and think this wasn't hurting the overall effectiveness of my D.



Do you have any data on them breaking up pass plays? How about making tackles on completed passes that fall short of a 1st down or TD? No data of this sort exists, so it's really a difficult argument to produce any positive evidence as to their real effectiveness
  

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Posted on 2015-06-25 15:01:30
hosh13 wrote:

see this game

My CBs and SSc make/miss zero tackles. He must have passed down the middle.

His WR went 9/16 for 339yds and 4 TDs!

Luckily my offence was even hotter on the day!



I love the "one game stats" to base assumptions from! As is the case for flipping coins, spinning the wheel of destiny or any other game where more substantial amounts of data is required, this game needs at least a full season of games data to begin making reasonable assumptions. If one were to flip a coin just once and get heads, for example, would it be prudent to suggest that "heads" is 100% likely? There are so many other factors in this game, not to mention random rolls on each play, very much like Risk (as has been stated many times), that make it very unlikely that one game will produce any 100% valid data. Put your best 11 guys out there and accept the randomness that comes along each week as a variant that can't be completely explained. My take is that random factor simply simulates real life. If you get bad rolls and you have a really good team, your team just came out flat that day and got rolled. If you had really good rolls that day and you have just an average team, maybe you pulled out some flea flickers or trick plays and got one over on that top 10 team. These things happen every Saturday in college football and every Sunday in the NFL and it's the only way an online game can simulate these possibilities.
  

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Posted on 2015-06-25 15:31:49
somebody just go through abcats games and see when he gives up a long td if his ss/c missed a tackle
  
 
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