cflames3412 wrote: Several 20 stam players got me to wc finals I say it's more noticeable in club games but not as much of a factor in nt

Looks more like a chance for you to blow your own trumpet than anything else!

Anyway, let's have a look at your last 2 games with Štefan Kubec at OT -

vs Canada - they have 2 stam 20 players in the front 7 so no problem

vs USA - no stam 20 on their D but Kubek gives up all of your 4 pressures.

With only 1 stam 20 player on the OL it is not a big deal since the average of the OL stays at a reasonable level. I dare you to add another stam 20 player to that OL!

hosh13 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: Several 20 stam players got me to wc finals I say it's more noticeable in club games but not as much of a factor in nt Looks more like a chance for you to blow your own trumpet than anything else! Anyway, let's have a look at your last 2 games with Štefan Kubec at OT - vs Canada - they have 2 stam 20 players in the front 7 so no problem vs USA - no stam 20 on their D but Kubek gives up all of your 4 pressures. With only 1 stam 20 player on the OL it is not a big deal since the average of the OL stays at a reasonable level. I dare you to add another stam 20 player to that OL!

Kubec doesn't have 20 stam

While I subscribe to the theory that where there is smoke there is fire, I'm not sure 20 stamina is the only thing smoking here.

However, some of you seem to be assuming that reason for every time a player drops a full * from from Start Rating to End Rating is because he has 20 stamina. I just don't see that being the case. For example, let's review my match in Week 4 this season.

1) My QB with 13 CON and 6 stamina starts at 4.5* (the highest rating he's ever pulled BTW) and ends at 3.5*. Interestingly he performed better in the second half than the first.

2) My LBO/R with 18 CON and 8 stamina starts at 3.5* and ends at 2.5*.

3) My SS/R with 11 CON and 5 stamina starts at 4* and ends at 3*.

None of those players have 20 stamina. What they do have in common is low stamina. Two of them also have unbalanced builds at the moment due to low teamwork taking longer for some skills to catch up to the rest (won't share which ones, scout all 3 if you really wanna know).

I would actually theorize that stamina in general plays a far bigger role in the start and particularly end game ratings than anything else. It might actually get the most weighting in the start and ending calculations which would result in strange * ratings for players with stamina at the extreme ends of the spectrum.

Honestly, I look at it like this. It takes a long time to train a player to achieve a balanced build on a player. You need to max out Speed and Strength, both Tactical skills, Agility, Footwork and one or two other skills. That's 7-8 skills to max out. Now add training to 20 stamina. Now add low to average teamwork into the mix and something needs to be sacrificed before they reach 28 and training points drop.

So what happens then? Well you get unbalance builds or low physicals or both, followed by complaining after that finally catches up with your team a few times each season.

hosh13 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: Several 20 stam players got me to wc finals I say it's more noticeable in club games but not as much of a factor in nt Looks more like a chance for you to blow your own trumpet than anything else! Anyway, let's have a look at your last 2 games with Štefan Kubec at OT - vs Canada - they have 2 stam 20 players in the front 7 so no problem vs USA - no stam 20 on their D but Kubek gives up all of your 4 pressures. With only 1 stam 20 player on the OL it is not a big deal since the average of the OL stays at a reasonable level. I dare you to add another stam 20 player to that OL!

This right here means nothing. Kubek didn't give up any pressures, the OL vs the DL and LBs allowed for the percentage chance of a sack or pressure to occur. The only one on one comparison during this event is when the DL and LBs win the roll and then the QB is compared to the blitzer to determine the results of the play. It can be a pressure, a sack, or the QB decides to run or still attempt a pass. My DL and LB's average about 8-10 pressures/sacks per game every game and it has nothing to do with stamina 20 players, in my opinion

Just a curious question, if I wanted my players to stop at 19 stamina, is that possible? From what I've seen in my training reports, stats are increased even when you don't train them.