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Is Tackling Random or Not?
 
hoospack
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Posted on 2020-06-21 0:15:54
Does anyone have any insight into how the game engine assigns the "Tackle" statistic?

I don't think it is random, but I cannot figure out how or why it assigns tackles to certain players with similar/same skills.

For example: I typically start 2 FS players. One as FS-L and the other as FS-R. Both are NT caliber players and both have similar skills. However, for some reason one has been awarded 33 tackles over the first 3 weeks of this season and the other has only been awarded 3. This is why I don't think it is random. There must be some reason why the engine is behaving this manner.

Any thoughts as to why the engine does this?
  
bghandras
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Posted on 2020-06-21 1:16:50
Maybe your opponent attacks either side at offensive setup? Maybe one of your cornerback is much weaker than the other, thus targeted more often? There is not a single factor i could tell, but i suspect it is more about the other players than about these 2...
...unless either is much smarter.
  
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Posted on 2020-06-21 1:23:10
I think that is because of opponents order and your defensive setup.

Against the run, a SS/C always plays "in the box" and is responsible for the 3rd level tackle even if you have other safeties like in your 2nd match.

In your last match instead your opponent attacked on one side: all your players on that side have much more tackles
  

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Posted on 2020-06-22 23:18:43
I'm probably wrong, but I look at the defense like a bunch of zones, short, medium and long and then right, center and left. So 9 zones. Each play the brainiac QB decides where you will attack, using some input from your game orders and then his massive IQ. The system takes your cover guys on pass plays and generates players to defend each zone and are probably the same on every play that attacks that zone. Since it's pass play and you have to get by the rush to initiate a pass, the linemen are left out of cover zones, leaving your combination of dbs to cover all the zones of attack. Once 2 players miss, it's TD time. On run plays the system uses linemen and cover players and assigns them to defend each zone and are probably also the same on every play that attacks that zone or direction of play. All eleven players are likely eligible to cover zones based on area of attack coming. Once 3 players miss, it's TD time. I'm sure there are some line ups that leave holes in some of the zones, but that's my theory. Summary: Run out your best 11 guys in a legal and relevant formation and hope for the best. You can always yell at your players after the game, but that's probably not going to be very effective.
  

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Posted on 2020-06-23 9:47:43
I agree.

It is possible to line up with a Darkwinged attack against a defence with 5 DL, 4MLB's, SS(C) and a CB on the opposite side and still see incompletes, passes for short yardage (meaning tackled reciever or a stupid QB throwing outs on blank receivers - so much for a brain) or even interceptions.

So my theory is, that when a pass play is called, the QB (based on the settings) either decides which zone (as depicted by Weasel) or focuses on left, right, both or center if the coach har set that setting.

The engine then sends a receiver into that zone and sends a defender to cover him plus one more to defend the run after catch. Those players could be anyone, but most likely, it will be the MLB or FS that is the last player to attempt a tackle. Once those dice are rolled, nothing can be changed.

On run plays, my theory is that the DL rolls against an OL and if he wins, he gets a chance at tackling the runner. If he fails, either a LB or SS will get a second chance and perhaps a FS for the third chance. Again - zone coverage is implemented, but only on left or right based players since NT/DT and MLB have equal chance of tackling. Running right or left will eliminate the opposite side's defensive players in having an attempt to tackle.

We do not know if the 90/10% level is implemented on the directional orders since we do see recievers placed opposite on a darkwing get catches. I doubt that the engine is sophisticated enough to have routes for receivers.

But tackling - almost random. In the OP's example, there could be a hidden setting on FS's when it comes to tackling. Random can not make it that different.
  

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Posted on 2020-06-23 22:12:44
Gatr22 wrote:

I'm probably wrong, but I look at the defense like a bunch of zones, short, medium and long and then right, center and left. So 9 zones. Each play the brainiac QB decides where you will attack, using some input from your game orders and then his massive IQ. The system takes your cover guys on pass plays and generates players to defend each zone and are probably the same on every play that attacks that zone. Since it's pass play and you have to get by the rush to initiate a pass, the linemen are left out of cover zones, leaving your combination of dbs to cover all the zones of attack. Once 2 players miss, it's TD time. On run plays the system uses linemen and cover players and assigns them to defend each zone and are probably also the same on every play that attacks that zone or direction of play. All eleven players are likely eligible to cover zones based on area of attack coming. Once 3 players miss, it's TD time. I'm sure there are some line ups that leave holes in some of the zones, but that's my theory. Summary: Run out your best 11 guys in a legal and relevant formation and hope for the best. You can always yell at your players after the game, but that's probably not going to be very effective.



So the question is did you focus your attack to one side or did the QB choose the one side all the time on his own?
This is a very interesting question...
  
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