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Hard-core fan (ultimate supporter owner)BloodbeakGI Supporter
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Posted on 2020-06-28 7:01:20
I would only start #2 if I were going with an all-pass attack, and he would be a pass-catching FB. This is assuming that tacticals are a factor for FB/L or FB/R, because is it not stated by the devs somewhere that tactical training is not necessary for RBs?

#1 would be fine as a blocking FB. He reminds me of one of my old RBs, but this one here has better consistency. Just needs another 2 strength points for my liking.

  

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Posted on 2020-06-28 10:32:05
hoospack wrote:

Maybe I have been overvaluing Footwork...



I don't know. For me footwork is one of the more mysterious attributes. I'm not quite sure what it is for. Just like positioning...

But, rather than thinking for myself I did one better: I asked an expert.
Or actually I asked Google to come up with scouting reports that mentioned footwork.
What came up were primarily QBs and also a decent amount of Offensive Linemen. Furthermore footwork was mentioned for a WR (for route running), CB (coverage), LB (pursuit). Route running, coverage, pursuit... that sort of covers practically everybody except for running backs

I did the same thing for positioning, but that turned up zero hits

I also did it for vision, which turned up QBs (no surprise), RBs (a LOT of them, for finding the hole) and safeties (for finding the ehhh... play). Which brings me to another great input:

Bloodbeak wrote:

is it not stated by the devs somewhere that tactical training is not necessary for RBs?



This is highly interesting and would definitely be rock to my scissors
Link, maybe, perhaps?
  


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Posted on 2020-06-28 10:47:44
Perhaps I was mistaken. I could only find this:

Administrator wrote:

Vision is NOT one of the primary skills for RB so we don't advise to train "focus on" vision for RB unless you want to use the RB in other positions.



https://grid-iron.org/community/viewt/1378/30
  

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Posted on 2020-06-28 10:52:39
Thanks!

This sort of excludes vision from the "general game rating" calculations I guess.
It might still show up in "action" calculations, as the devs call it.
Very helpful, thanks!
  


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Posted on 2020-06-28 10:57:22
No problems. Though I have not been training any tacticals in any RB since about season 25. I'm certain that I read somewhere that neither positioning or vision mattered. Thought it was in that thread too. Mandela effect or good old fashioned senility? Either way I'm going to dig further...
  

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Posted on 2020-06-28 11:03:02
Looking at NFL plays, a RB can break legs by footwork. It by no means the only way they can break a tackle, but i see it relevant. Picture the small statured 3rd down pass catching type of RB (whose main task is still to get the occassional hand over, or swing or screen pass, or jet sweep), and run with it.Most of those plays set up the RB 1 on 1 with a LB, and offers him the chance to evade him using footwork and acceleration.
  
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Posted on 2020-06-28 11:11:06
Bloodbeak wrote:

No problems. Though I have not been training any tacticals in any RB since about season 25. I'm certain that I read somewhere that neither positioning or vision mattered. Thought it was in that thread too. Mandela effect or good old fashioned senility? Either way I'm going to dig further...



The one you found is all, there is about tacticals and RBs.

But you might find one about footwork - 'It's the skill RBs use to exploit gaps in the defence' - or something like that.

For years I have trained my RBs in carry, block, agility, foot and pos. I also want them to have green skills in Con, str and sp + teamwork, because of the ammount of coaching, I give them.

So my favorite is no 1 - only, I'ld probably sack him because of age

  
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Posted on 2020-06-28 11:21:23
Carrying, footwork, agility, the ideal physicals that decide whether they are RB or FB, and talent. That's all I care about for RBs. INT/CON seems to be a non-factor but that's just me. Maybe will have to include positioning from now on.

Obviously blocking for a FB, and stamina. I forgot those.
  

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Posted on 2020-06-28 15:57:15
Many seasons ago when there were more human controlled teams and competition was significantly tougher at higher levels, having balanced training across at least 5-6 skills (not including physicals) was the only way to be truly competitive. A team of 1 or 2-skill only players was a losing strategy anywhere beyond Div III.

However, as the number of human controlled teams has dropped, you can now get away with having those 1-2 skill players for longer and in higher leagues in many regions

Even so, IMO, footwork is criminally under trained in this game and has been for a very long time. There have been teams that trained it though and, coincidentally, those teams just happened to be the ones winning at the highest levels.

Every player should have footwork, agility and both tactical skill trained equally. From there it is simply a matter of adding in whichever specialty skill needed for a specific position (i.e. catching for WR/TE, carrying for RB, blocking for OT, etc.).

This is why teamwork and starting skills are so important (and why 18 year old youth pulls are virtually useless). Imagine trying to train a TE to 18 in catching, blocking, agility, footwork, positioning and vision with a teamwork of 1. This is also why RB's and TE's are the most difficult positions to train as they need 6 skills in balance to be built properly.

That said there are some exceptions. K/P for one. I've skipped positioning on QB's before without any noticeable problems. The implementation of BMI has made training agility beyond 15 on OL/DL useless until all other skills are maxed.
  
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Posted on 2020-06-29 20:00:58
Bloodbeak wrote:

No problems. Though I have not been training any tacticals in any RB since about season 25. I'm certain that I read somewhere that neither positioning or vision mattered. Thought it was in that thread too. Mandela effect or good old fashioned senility? Either way I'm going to dig further...



Would be highly interested in learning more about this, especially if Positioning is not used for RB as well.
  
 
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