Toni Gorilla wrote: I was wondering if my QB Antone Wilder (ID 863324) would be considered for selection at some point. Talent 4.5, INT 19, CON 15. PAS and VIS are only 16 the now, but will be raised to max in a season or 2.

That's a good player-very good, even. However, I think every NT QB is a beast with at least 38 INT+CON. Maybe I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about Curacao's NT. It's the US, with a lot of managers and probably a few 19/20 or 20/20 beasts. That guy might make a decent backup, but I wouldn't expect to win the world cup with him as starting QB.

Belau23 wrote: David Ortiz wrote: Toni Gorilla wrote: I was wondering if my QB Antone Wilder (ID 863324) would be considered for selection at some point. Talent 4.5, INT 19, CON 15. PAS and VIS are only 16 the now, but will be raised to max in a season or 2. That's a good player-very good, even. However, I think every NT QB is a beast with at least 38 INT+CON. Maybe I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about Curacao's NT. It's the US, with a lot of managers and probably a few 19/20 or 20/20 beasts. That guy might make a decent backup, but I wouldn't expect to win the world cup with him as starting QB. He's a great QB. Any team would be happy to have him at the club level. You should be very proud, he will probably win you many games. Unfortunately, once you get to the NT level, especially in the top 10-15 countries, only the greatest freaks in the game make it. I'm talking 20/20 5 star talent guys starting at QB, and backups being 4.5 talent, with 19/18 or above. It's pretty crazy

In large countries, anyway. I pity the teams with only a few managers from the country. Those guys have far less talent to choose from. I've seen NT's with 4.5* TE's, and in this game, against the 20/20 beasts throwing to 20/20/20/20 TE's, that's a death sentence.

Gatr22 wrote: David Ortiz wrote: Belau23 wrote: David Ortiz wrote: Toni Gorilla wrote: I was wondering if my QB Antone Wilder (ID 863324) would be considered for selection at some point. Talent 4.5, INT 19, CON 15. PAS and VIS are only 16 the now, but will be raised to max in a season or 2. That's a good player-very good, even. However, I think every NT QB is a beast with at least 38 INT+CON. Maybe I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about Curacao's NT. It's the US, with a lot of managers and probably a few 19/20 or 20/20 beasts. That guy might make a decent backup, but I wouldn't expect to win the world cup with him as starting QB. He's a great QB. Any team would be happy to have him at the club level. You should be very proud, he will probably win you many games. Unfortunately, once you get to the NT level, especially in the top 10-15 countries, only the greatest freaks in the game make it. I'm talking 20/20 5 star talent guys starting at QB, and backups being 4.5 talent, with 19/18 or above. It's pretty crazy In large countries, anyway. I pity the teams with only a few managers from the country. Those guys have far less talent to choose from. I've seen NT's with 4.5* TE's, and in this game, against the 20/20 beasts throwing to 20/20/20/20 TE's, that's a death sentence. Enough with th3 20/20/20/20 talk, apparently, you still don't get it. Lower con guys can perform better about 50% of the time. Yeah, 20/20/20/whatever beasts look impressive, but if your a risky manager, you can get rewarded sometimes

That's true. If the planets align, a few above-average performances from a 1-CON QB can add up to a great cup run. In the mostly-bot divisions, you just need to get lucky and have a good game against the few human opponents. I just prefer the slow and steady fires. It's an 18-game season, and having players who are great one game, then terrible the next, is the road to finishing in the middle of the pack once you play human opponents. I'm a risk-averse guy, which is why I like high CON. To win the TD or Iron Bowl, you need your guys to be at the top of their game, every game.

Of course, you're the one with a regional cup trophy, not me. The point you make is a good one. A low-CON team can beat a superior squad, if they have a good day. I just wouldn't count on it happening regularly.

Belau23 wrote: 20,20,20,20 would be perfect. Because it says in the help section that consistency cant make a player go over 20 skills

They can't go over 20 skills in the game, but the start and end game rating, WHATEVER THAT DOES, can be effected tremendously. I think you will find the skills come into play on the individual plays during the game, along with bpos, exp and who knows what else. The whole "can't go over 20 skills" has nothing to do with start and end game ratings. In my opinion these factors that effect the players performance in some manner, make the whole 20/20 as being perfect, completely wrong. What you all mean is 20/20 players are the least risk week to week. Since there are start game ratings for every player on both teams in every game and some games are hopefully against weaker teams anyway, then maybe you get lucky on scheduling and get crappy start game rolls against the weaker ones. I will take my chances with some positions to dip a little further on the risk scale. Mind you, I won the cup last season with a QB that has 13 con, including wins over Haker and some others. Maybe that lower con does help sometimes, maybe I got lucky, either way, I will continue to use cons from about 8 to 20 without much worry

Canada's starting NT QB has a cons of 2, and his #1 wide receiver has a cons of 1.