Gurudefence wrote: It is easy just to judge someone upon their character, but if they are winning matches, who is to care?

I thought you were wise once. How much that did to sway my opinion.

not sure it's fair to say i've been hoodwinked by the media opinion of him, given my initial dislike for him stemmed from on court behavior.

I'm well aware of media slants on stories, and being a lifelong cynic, take the british press with a massive pinch of salt, however i do read a lot about things that interest me as opposed to just the back page of the sun newspaper.

The most telling comments for me were from Michael Johnson's blog regarding his attitude when he went over to train in his fitness camp. When he first went there it was slightly under duress from brad gilbert, and Johnson had a bit of a hard time making him realise that he was nowhere near fit enough to be a top level sportsman. I think that camp was a bit of a turning point in getting Murray to grow up as i suspect he'd been pandered to a bit in his regimes prior to that, and those comments were straight from the horse's mouth (as such) rather than biased journalism..

just to reiterate, i don't have a problem with murray now, just glad he's grown up a bit...

croverja wrote: Andy Murray? I don't know anything about him. I was talking about that comment in general. If someone wins who cares about their character? So what your saying is winning is everything? A lot more to life then winning. Even in the sports world, TO isn't a team player. He brings down the team, demands passes, and the team suffers. And you don't judge people on their character? You judge people by their sports success. That seems strange. Do correct me if I somehow misunderstood your post.

This type of thing proves that you are not an eleven year old! I have a very smart brother who is twelve that would not even consider writing such words!

Anyway, back on topic. Do not put words in my mouth - I meant it in regards to Murray. After all, this is a thread about tennis, which correct me if I am wrong, is not a team sport and does not have players named "TO".

I will not defend AM as the way he acted sometimes is pathetic. BUT, he won matches nevertheless. It is not as if his character had driven his family, girlfriend or friends away.

Gurudefence wrote: croverja wrote: Andy Murray? I don't know anything about him. I was talking about that comment in general. If someone wins who cares about their character? So what your saying is winning is everything? A lot more to life then winning. Even in the sports world, TO isn't a team player. He brings down the team, demands passes, and the team suffers. And you don't judge people on their character? You judge people by their sports success. That seems strange. Do correct me if I somehow misunderstood your post. This type of thing proves that you are not an eleven year old! I have a very smart brother who is twelve that would not even consider writing such words! I never asked you to believe me. I'm 11, but believe what you will. Just not the most competitive person in the world, you and I both know there tons more to life the wins and losses. Anyway, back on topic. Do not put words in my mouth - I meant it in regards to Murray. After all, this is a thread about tennis, which correct me if I am wrong, is not a team sport and does not have players named "TO". You didn't specify Murray, so technically I'm not. TO is a football player, so I was referring to football with TO. I will not defend AM as the way he acted sometimes is pathetic. BUT, he won matches nevertheless. It is not as if his character had driven his family, girlfriend or friends away. Once again, no idea what you're talking about. I know that Andy Murray plays tennis well. The extent of my Andy Murray knowledge. But from what I hear he doesn't sound great.

Gurudefence wrote: Keep picking, you do a good job at it

Lots of things to pick. Nitpick, pick flowers, pick a team, pick a person, pic axes, and worst of all pick your nose.