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20 Stamina Bug?
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Hard-core fan (ultimate supporter owner)simpathiaGI Supporter
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Posted on 2020-06-26 8:47:41
Oh that reminds me. I had one or two on the dutch NT as well.

Anyway, interested in your findings! Do share
  
Camillo
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Posted on 2020-06-26 9:31:04
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Well my team now has several Stamina 20 players. To make matters more interesting, all of these players are trained to play both Offense and Defense. I will be tracking their performance closely. So far, there has not been a noticeable drop off from the beginning rating to the end of match rating or performance.

I tried to chat with one of the NT managers about one of these players who have great skills (18/19+ for all main skills). He was the one who refused to put him on the NT because of the 20 Stamina bug. So far this particular player has been solid. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good player if this "bug" isn't a really big impact.

I will be happy to test the waters and potentially reap the benefits!



Oh, I wouldn't worry too much - as long as you run the ball 24/7 - and your opponents do the same
  
linkleo911
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Posted on 2020-06-26 13:27:28
I remember a NT match between Russia and Brazil some years ago. The 20 stamina bug made a big damage... I will find the game link and post it here.
  
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Posted on 2020-06-26 13:29:22
Russia vs Brazil - WC 16 / Qualifying Rnd 4 - 18.03.2016
https://grid-iron.org/community/viewt/20903
  
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Posted on 2020-06-26 14:24:51
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Russia vs Brazil - WC 16 / Qualifying Rnd 4 - 18.03.2016
https://grid-iron.org/community/viewt/20903



Oh that's very interesting, thanks!

The most detailed analysis is by AbCat, and his opinion is that it is due to a subpar (4 star) offensive lineman, not a stamina 20 issue. Someone else argues that it is a stamina 20 issue with the FB. All the pressures that Brasil gets are by the RDE. This suggests to me that the LOT (the 4 star guy) is indeed the problem. With a subpar FB lots of different players get pressures, not just the RDE.
But let me know if there are other arguments to consider!

AbCat wrote:

In my opinion it is not a 20 stamina issue. The weak link in Russia's O-line is Boukreev (4* rating for the offensive tackle is not international standard). Every time he's played Left Tackle recently the Right Defensive End on the other team has had a stellar game.

Brazil - Fontoura: 14 pressures, 2 sacks
Belgium - Eikmans: 10 pressures, 1 sack
Argentina - Medrano: 7 pressures, 1 sack
Bulgaria - Markov: 4 pressures, 1 sack

The problem was made worse for the Brazil game because there was no Fullback to help him.



Oh, I scouted the LOT. 3* talent, 4* BPOS, pretty bad indeed. 3* talent on a national team
He also has 15 strength, but the team he's on went bot in season 29, when he was 32, so he might have lost a few points of strength when he was 31/32 years old.
I can't scout the HB, he retired in the mean time
  
Camillo
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Posted on 2020-06-26 14:58:44
simpathia wrote:

linkleo911 wrote:

Russia vs Brazil - WC 16 / Qualifying Rnd 4 - 18.03.2016
https://grid-iron.org/community/viewt/20903



Oh that's very interesting, thanks!

The most detailed analysis is by AbCat, and his opinion is that it is due to a subpar (4 star) offensive lineman, not a stamina 20 issue. Someone else argues that it is a stamina 20 issue with the FB. All the pressures that Brasil gets are by the RDE. This suggests to me that the LOT (the 4 star guy) is indeed the problem. With a subpar FB lots of different players get pressures, not just the RDE.
But let me know if there are other arguments to consider!

AbCat wrote:

In my opinion it is not a 20 stamina issue. The weak link in Russia's O-line is Boukreev (4* rating for the offensive tackle is not international standard). Every time he's played Left Tackle recently the Right Defensive End on the other team has had a stellar game.

Brazil - Fontoura: 14 pressures, 2 sacks
Belgium - Eikmans: 10 pressures, 1 sack
Argentina - Medrano: 7 pressures, 1 sack
Bulgaria - Markov: 4 pressures, 1 sack

The problem was made worse for the Brazil game because there was no Fullback to help him.



AbCat is only human.
He forgot to mention that Brazil all in all had 26 pressures - not 14.

DE/R Fontuara 14
and
DE/L Dias 10

btw, it is a good idea allways to check your sources before you quote them
  
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Posted on 2020-06-26 15:33:50

Camillo wrote:



AbCat is only human.
He forgot to mention that Brazil all in all had 26 pressures - not 14.

DE/R Fontuara 14
and
DE/L Dias 10

btw, it is a good idea allways to check your sources before you quote them.



Ah excellent! Good that you checked the data (I checked your data too, as you advised. The RDE had 16 pressures, not 14)
You're right, I had only checked the first quarter, with 6 pressures from the RDE and none from anybody else.
So there was clearly more going on than just a terrible LOT...
  
Camillo
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Posted on 2020-06-26 16:09:34
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Ah excellent! Good that you checked the data (I checked your data too, as you advised. The RDE had 16 pressures, not 14)
You're right, I had only checked the first quarter, with 6 pressures from the RDE and none from anybody else.
So there was clearly more going on than just a terrible LOT...



It's good then - and I am not that much of an expert anymore.
I used to be, though - in an earlier life
  
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Posted on 2020-06-26 17:20:44
Camillo wrote:

simpathia wrote:

Ah excellent! Good that you checked the data (I checked your data too, as you advised. The RDE had 16 pressures, not 14)
You're right, I had only checked the first quarter, with 6 pressures from the RDE and none from anybody else.
So there was clearly more going on than just a terrible LOT...



It's good then - and I am not that much of an expert anymore.
I used to be, though - in an earlier life



Did you used to be Vestebro Vikings' coach? That guy always said I gave out lousy advice.

Can't believe my post from 2016 has come back to haunt me here. But from what I've seen, or rather not seen lately, the stamina 20 bug doesn't seem to be in play any more. I've not seen any instances of performance dropping like it did to 1 star since they updated the game engine.
  
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Posted on 2020-06-26 20:01:50
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Can't believe my post from 2016 has come back to haunt me here.



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