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hemoroid
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Posted on 2021-01-27 17:55:23
SrednaD wrote:

Remember to only accuse the BOT teams of cheating. Otherwise, this thread would be breaking the rules for the cummunity:

Rules no one reads wrote:


NO ACCUSATION OF CHEATING / ABUSING MANAGERS

No accusation of cheating / abusing managers in forums, you need to contact the admins via PM / "Contact us".



A sober and awake mod could spam the 'Ban' button, but this is the best GI has presented for a while.

Just keep it clean.



When this topic was started the two teams in question were not yet banned. So it turns out I wasn't the first to break the "no cheating allegations" rule after all!
Let's hope all other cheaters (mentioned in this topic or not) get banned sooner rather than later. That's the most important

I will continue to expose the unpunished cheaters whenever I have solid proof against them. If you feel I deserve to be banned for that you have very questionable moral values, sober or not.

Also, do the rules allow calling someone "idiot", "moron" or "stupid"? I'm not complaining just asking, personally I'm 100% against any forms of censorship and it's common for cheaters to throw tamper tantrums after getting exposed so I couldn't be bothered any less by those, just want to know if I can unleash my creativity cause I can do way better than "idiot" and "moron" in regards of insults.

Monty Python wrote:


And please stop accusing me without any clues.



Let's recap, both of these now banned teams (possibly controlled by the same individual) played with bot tactics against you and did not play like that against any other teams that season. There's only one obvious explanation for why they did that.

Monty Python wrote:

Furthermore  Kocovo went bot due bankruptcy not for cheating and that was a result of the pressure I did to him to spend a lot of money so as to be competitive till it goes down!



How do you know he went bankrupt? At the same time 3 other teams from Serbia from the second league turned bot and also a team from Iran and South Koreea that were playing in the AFLC. It was discussed on the forum and the consensus was that they were banned for cheating.

Monty Python wrote:


Im also administrator to an other online managerial game



Oh wow, the wolf guarding the sheeps!
  
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Posted on 2021-01-27 19:11:03
From now on I will reply to anyone except this guy with the schizophrenic obsession towards me. Thank you all for the understanding. Greetings from Leros and out...
  

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hemoroid
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Posted on 2021-01-27 20:05:13
You'll stop replying because you embarrass yourself with every pathetic attempt to justify the blatant cheating.
Schizophrenia is a serious illness that should not be used to try and discredit someone, better stick with "idiot" and "moron" if that's all you can. My mental health is solid, rest assured.

I did not post all the evidence for you to admit the cheating, cheaters don't work like that, if they had morals they wouldn't be cheaters in the first place. I've posted it so that everyone on the forum knows who they're dealing with.
  
Camillo
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Posted on 2021-01-27 22:01:09
hemoroid wrote:

You'll stop replying because you embarrass yourself with every pathetic attempt to justify the blatant cheating.
Schizophrenia is a serious illness that should not be used to try and discredit someone, better stick with "idiot" and "moron" if that's all you can. My mental health is solid, rest assured.

I did not post all the evidence for you to admit the cheating, cheaters don't work like that, if they had morals they wouldn't be cheaters in the first place. I've posted it so that everyone on the forum knows who they're dealing with.



Interesting accusations you have come up with in the last many pages - but do you really believe a word of it yourself???
I have checked your socalled 'evidence', and I haven't seen any sign of faul play from our greek colleague.

All I have seen is - let's call it - 'misunderstandings' and/or pure fantasy.

  
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Posted on 2021-01-27 23:54:10
Camillo wrote:

hemoroid wrote:

You'll stop replying because you embarrass yourself with every pathetic attempt to justify the blatant cheating.
Schizophrenia is a serious illness that should not be used to try and discredit someone, better stick with "idiot" and "moron" if that's all you can. My mental health is solid, rest assured.

I did not post all the evidence for you to admit the cheating, cheaters don't work like that, if they had morals they wouldn't be cheaters in the first place. I've posted it so that everyone on the forum knows who they're dealing with.



Interesting accusations you have come up with in the last many pages - but do you really believe a word of it yourself???
I have checked your socalled 'evidence', and I haven't seen any sign of faul play from our greek colleague.

All I have seen is - let's call it - 'misunderstandings' and/or pure fantasy.



If we are talking about collusion between H&S and the two BOT teams, I just fail to see a pattern in the seasons. Yes, in season 33, the last game was lucky, but that game along with the Petrovgrad game can not be the basis of an allegation of collusion. We know that Ravens and Petrovgrad were botted and most likely had same owner, so it could have been his/her decision to mess things up. H&S's tactics in those games does not prove collusion and 3xrun has been a successfull tactic for many of us. There could be a good argument that a cheater would mess things up or have a more relaxed attitude to the game than any more serious player.

Going back - look at seaosn 31 - H&S end up in second place. Two games after Косово је Србија and loose two games to Ravens and Petrovgrad. Why not win both if you control both teams? And why spend time building three teams to TD to take the newest of the teams and bring them to glory? H&S is the oldest of the three teams, som why not spend your effort getting that team to TD first? Why end up in Div II.2 for 7 seasons gaining 4 second places while Ravens and Petrovgrad are rubbing elbows with the big teams in TD? For money? In a region blessed with few teams? Do you need a weekly wage above 2.2 million to dominate when 1.6 million is enough for a much tougher AS&E or North American region?

Now, none of this is proof of anything else than my assumptions on what could have happened, but I would like some more evidence before a witch is burnt just because she weighs the same as a duck.
  

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Camillo
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Posted on 2021-01-28 0:57:19
SrednaD wrote:

H&S's tactics in those games does not prove collusion and 3xrun has been a successfull tactic for many of us.



You too my son, Brutus. Nice.

The point is - HE DID NOT PLAY 3 X RUN. (Sounds like a Agatha Christie-novel)

The 'proof' we got from hemoroid says he 'played 100% rush'.

But everybody who is old enough to read a matchreport in this game will know the orders for the Klek Ravens-match were:

1. down ....All rush
2. down ....All pass
3. down ....All pass

So HE IS NOT A CHEATER q.e.d.

Simply because the 'played 100% rush' claim is BS - and so is the rest of the accusations.
  
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Posted on 2021-01-28 7:32:36
Camillo wrote:

SrednaD wrote:

H&S's tactics in those games does not prove collusion and 3xrun has been a successfull tactic for many of us.



You too my son, Brutus. Nice.

The point is - HE DID NOT PLAY 3 X RUN. (Sounds like a Agatha Christie-novel)

The 'proof' we got from hemoroid says he 'played 100% rush'.

But everybody who is old enough to read a matchreport in this game will know the orders for the Klek Ravens-match were:

1. down ....All rush
2. down ....All pass
3. down ....All pass

So HE IS NOT A CHEATER q.e.d.

Simply because the 'played 100% rush' claim is BS - and so is the rest of the accusations.



Sorry for that mistake, but it does not alter anything that I tried to prove. Just sloppy research from my side. We agree.

But let's see if there is more to come. I feel like I am in a discussion with a 'Flat earther' and he says; "Hold on, I got the REAL proof right here.... be back in a minute..."
  

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hemoroid
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Posted on 2021-01-28 10:38:23
Let's try again, maybe if I replace the team names it will remove the bias.

Season 34
Team A plays bot tactics (both OFF and DEF) against Team B in Round 12, this is what started the topic. As I've shown in a previous post they had a history of doing exactly the same thing in past seasons whenever the other team had something to play for. The two teams have since been banned so we know for sure that was cheating.

Season 33
Team A (proven and banned cheater) plays bot tactics (both OFF and DEF) against Team C. This is done in the last round when Team C needed to win big to be sure of winning the league title.
But wait there's more! Team B (also proven and banned cheater) plays bot DEF against Team C. Round 4, same season!

What happened in Season 34 is cheating (and we know for sure it is) but what happened in Season 33 is not? Please explain the difference cause I fail to see it, to me it seams that the cheating in Season 33 is even more blatant.

SrednaD wrote:


H&S's tactics in those games does not prove collusion and 3xrun has been a successfull tactic for many of us.



Ok, I'll admit I've read the report wrong I was only looking at the final stats and against a bot the 1st down is all that matters. My point is still valid, you need to put everything into context, that's not how he was playing against human opponents, he did not have a good FB for that tactic to work well against non-bot opponents. Every team that plays rush successfully has a FB - HB combo.


SrednaD wrote:


Going back - look at seaosn 31 - H&S end up in second place. Two games after Косово је Србија and loose two games to Ravens and Petrovgrad. Why not win both if you control both teams?


I never said they are all controlled by the same individual, but it's clear to me that in Season 33 they were allies. What was promised in return there's no way to know, hopefully admins can check if there was communication (deleted messages too!) between the teams involved before the two started "forgetting" to set the tactics.


SrednaD wrote:


Do you need a weekly wage above 2.2 million to dominate when 1.6 million is enough for a much tougher AS&E or North American region?


Apparently he does, the 2nd highest wage in the Balkans Top league is $1,119,305, less than half of what he's paying and he still has 4 losses (2 of them with home field advantage!!!) in the league. Also in the AFLC he's got the highest wages in the group and is still in 7th place.
So there you have it, having the highest wages is not enough to guarantee winning trophies, some choose to tactically outsmart the opponents while others convince the opponents to "forget" setting the tactics right when it matters the most.
I just want all cheaters (mentioned in this topic or not) to be banned, so we can all have a more enjoyable game to play!


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Posted on 2021-01-28 11:05:11
hemoroid wrote:

Season 34 is cheating (and we know for sure it is) but what happened in Season 33 is not? Please explain the difference cause I fail to see it, to me it seams that the cheating in Season 33 is even more blatant.



Because you have not - IMO - made a valid connection between Team A and Team C and Team B and Team C. If there is anything, then it would be two (or three) managers colluding which would require that some form of communication is brought as evidence of that collusion.

When looking at season 33;

Why did Team C loose to Team B in round 9?
Why did Team A loose big in round 18 when they actually had a shot at winning the league?
Why did Team C loose to Team A in round 13?
Why has Team C been changing tactics multiple times?

If your answer is that you suspect it and that it fits your point of view, then deal with it. But submit valid evidence to the admins and then let's close this thread.
  

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hemoroid
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Posted on 2021-01-28 12:26:03
Context is everything.

League table before Round 4:
1 Kosovo je Serbia 3 - 0
2 Team C 3 - 0
At that point Team C could use every bit of help against the team that dominated the Balkans in the past seasons (and who eventually was proven to be a cheater as well...)

Round 6 happened where Team C was destroyed at home by Kosovo 28 - 56 so it looked like Kosovo is going to sail to a new title, no matter what the ABC trio did to stop him.

But then... Kosovo is banned before Round 11 and it looked like Team C finally had a clear path to it's first league title.
Kosovo 9 - 1
Team C 8 - 2

In Round 17 another unexpected event happened and Team C lost to Team D in overtime (the team that in the end got screwed the most by the ABC trio) which made the last round interesting. A win alone would not guarantee Team C a league title because Team D was playing against an already relegated team! The margin of win would be the deciding factor! If only Team A would have not "forgotten" to set the tactics!!!

Team A did not have a realistic shot at league title before the last round as Team D was playing against an already relegated team and it was clear that he's going to win.


There's no way for me to have access to the communication between other users but hopefully admins CAN and WILL check, better late than never! But connections between two very similar situations, that I can do!

Team C did change tactics but never played rush heavy without a FB against a human opponent. That's not a very efficient tactic as we all know so why would he use it in the most crucial game that he was playing?
  
 
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