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Australian NT - WC12
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hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2014-09-05 10:29:55
Daudy wrote:

OL in general needs a bit of an overhaul. Johnson getting old, and a couple of others going to hit 31 next season (though they should be ok for this cycle). Guys like Roughhead are on bot teams, but I think had already lost agility points. I think we can do better here, and will have a look.



If you get stuck -

Ryan Hooper

5* BPOS and EXP

Positioning
13
Speed
14
Vision
13
Blocking
15
Strength
18
Intelligence
6
Agility
13
Aggression
6
Footwork
13
Stamina
16
Teamwork
12
Consistency
14

I guess foot and AG will be ~ 15 by the WC

If you want me to browse over a bunch of teams then just let me know what divisions.
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-09-05 12:46:08
Can I add...
Daudy wrote:

John Anderson TE - This isn't a biggy really, because I feel like some of the other TEs (including RB Jones who has BPOS all over) have gone up in skill and are probably ready to take over
A shame to see him go, but it is time.

Ramsay Gale TE - He's ok, but unfulfilled potential. Between him and Anderson, even with the new guys coming to the fore, we could probably make space for at least one new TE
We got anyone good enough to replace him? Especially since Anderson will be going.

Lucas Taylor WR - Unfulfilled potential, and will never get better on a bot team. We've got a few guys that could do it. I've already dropped him. I checked out a young 100k salary 5* WR today, but he's got a lopsided build. I'm not worried though, we have quality in this position
Agreed - just wont be getting any better.

WR Lyle Cartledge - Beast, but I feel like a whole season of decline would not be great, particularly since he already didn't have top,top speed. He's also retiring, which is no good... I reckon Watters will definitely be in, but I also like the look of Sam Greenham's build (I know a Sam Greenham in real life too haha)
Don't be too quick on this one. Although declinnig physicals, is probably still physically better than some WR on the roster. Still has some games left in him, but sooner moseso than later. Only backup material in 7 weeks time.

OL in general needs a bit of an overhaul. Johnson getting old, and a couple of others going to hit 31 next season (though they should be ok for this cycle). Guys like Roughhead are on bot teams, but I think had already lost agility points. I think we can do better here, and will have a look.
Johnson is on a bot team, no declining physicals. But is a lowest teir division team, so if taken over, then might dissappear or hit another human team and begin physical decline. If kept then a plan B need to be in place.

QB probably needs some thinking about. All 3 QBs are 30 or 31 and none on bot teams. Whilst this isn't a huge issue for QBs generally, they do lose Agility points which could be important. Boyle has always only been so-so in comparison to the others, so he might be dropped for the blooding of a new player who is coming up in skill.
I hate to say it. But just like Anderson, I think Mitch Watt need to go. He'll never get another run while Bandy is on the roster, and he has declining physicals.

DL Aaron Riggio - I brought him into the team a while back, as I liked his 19 skills and 5* bpos. His physicals aren't the best though, and he's not really improved any. We could probably find a better player. The rest of the guys have at least one season left or more and are pretty good. We have a lot of options here.

LB - Austin Moles - I brought him in a long time ago as a good prospect and as for depth. He's developed, but developed slowly over the last few seasons. He might hang onto his spot, but he's probably one of the weaker LBs we have at the moment (purely on skill level, his basics are very good)

LB - Brad Somi - Long time stalwart with good skills. He's at 30, and whilst I think he could do fine in one more cycle, we probably have a few guys who have caught up to him in skills and have better basics (physicals, BPOS, etc).

SF - Nicholas Bate - Champion of the NT, but his time is up. It's potentially a long campaign and he'll be declining the whole way through. We have a few guys that could fit though.
Again similar situation to Cartledge. From memory Bate had really good physicals? While declining, he still would/should be able to fill a backup role as I dont think they'd be many replacements???

  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-09-05 16:43:07
I don't know, I just hate ageing for receivers, given it also affects their agility skills. He'll likely be a good depth player, but a few of the "WRs" aren't actually dedicated WRs that would make it on purely that merit (Lambert, Jones, etc) so are of course worse. One could argue that that's why we should have more dedicated WR backups, but it depends on who we bring in.

I saw what ageing did to old NT players (DL Anas Bru & WR Marcel Bianco) that used to play for me, and it's not pretty. I guess it depends on what we find out there, because whilst he'd be good for qualis, we'd basically have deadish weight as depth come the deep tournament proper. So it's a question of whether we have excellent #2 or #3 for qualis and a middling guy as backup for later, or choose a guy who is somewhere in between (probably not as awesome early, but will stay effective if required).

It's currently boiling down to this, Watters in for Taylor 100%. Then Greenham who has less BPOS, less strength, less carrying, but more footwork, vision, positioning, consistency, and same speed + primaries, but NO ageing. He's skills wise up there with Cartledge, and arguably even maybe slightly better especially with the 19 consistency, and by the time crunch time comes around, will have better speed & agility. However, I think even with decline Cartledge will have better strength and is probably the better player as is currently now. Again, the short term boost vs eventual depth

BUT, I suddenly got a brain wave in regards to the other WR 'depth'. I don't particularly want to drop RB Jones given his versatility (including WR) even though he probably wouldn't start in any of those places (except potentially TE), and Lambert is one of our better KRs that we don't use for other things (though, I'm actually admiring his skills now, and he could actually do a good job at WR if we didn't have the superstars we have).

What if.... I keep Cartledge as a KR and drop KR Gianciracusa? :O It'll appear to everyone we have about 10 WRs on the team, but we'll know what their real roles are. I'm assuming Cartledge has 5* KR BPOS (or close to) given his 'Adequate' note in his profile, so he could probably play the early games as a WR and still maintain good effectiveness later in the competition (but in a different role), and subsequently keep his roster slot.


As for SF Bate, his physicals are decent, but actually only total 35 (he's not Kai Harbar who suddenly decided to go HAM and upgrade all his physicals ). Again, by real crunch time if injuries hit, I'm not sure about his ability to fill in. Semantics anyway, as I doubt he'll be starting even if the cup started tomorrow + we have some good talent depth in this position. Been a great player though, really rated his consistency.

TE is sticky, and it's so funny to think that after all these cycles Ramsay Gale may still be on our team due to a chronic lack of talent in that area (so much so I've decided to do something about it, and hopefully we'll see some 5* TEs in a few seasons). I will have a look around, but I think you may be right. I see RB Jones as filling in Anderson's spot and Grose is looking good + Archie is a strong trio for max 2 starting spots. Subsequently, anyone better than Ramsay that is found could replace him (depending on what we do with the spot freed up from using Jones as a replacement rather than a brand new guy). I wonder if Gourdis got his shit together yet?

Maybe we can use that extra spot for another OL in case Johnstone's bot team does get taken over? I could put my Johnson OL in, and maybe if I think it's appropriate put my SF Johnston in I'll do that. Then we can field Johnstone, Johnson, and Johnston!

As for Mitch Watt, I don't think he necessarily NEEDS to go like Anderson (given decline affects QBs less + Bandy has the same issue, and he's still probably the 2nd best QB there is). If Bandy gets injured for example, I think he'd likely be one we call up. We just have to seriously start asking questions though, because when they do start retiring or agility getting too far gone (he's already lost 2), then we don't want to be left hanging. I think he's likely to stay for this cycle, but as he's planning to retire and on an active team, I don't think we'll see him again. I'm likely dropping Boyle for someone fresh and keep the other two warhorses on the roster. The real debate is who to pick to start in the later games when decline is kicking both Bandy and Watt in the ass. We've been a bit unlucky trying to find successors, with the Wolverines having that good prospect go to waste + another 5* prospect named Flynn Feltham end up on a bot team whilst underdeveloped. I have to have a look at McDougall's build + have a look around at guys like Jolly (who I've never actually looked at), because whilst Ablett and Tenace have been on the radar for ages with good skills and intel, I'm a bit worried about their consistency. It's a dead pity Kamikaze's Jett Bowden is 30 and retiring. If he was a few years younger... he's probably one of the best QBs who have never made an NT. Could probably replace Boyle this cycle, but that really doesn't solve any of the long term issues...
  
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Posted on 2014-09-05 20:49:16
Daudy wrote:

As for Mitch Watt...

Dammit I wish I didn't read this thread.. now I'm torn between having a crappy team with a superstar on it, and just having a crappy team. A real Goldcoast Seagulls/Wally Lewis-style dilemma. Watt has only decreased agility by 1 while on my team, but he did lose .xx agility this most recent training update, so I now see the extent of the damage being done.... Not intentional by the way, I signed him knowing he'd get no training points and that there would be some diminishing physicals, but didn't realise the decline would be so rapid and drastic, or that agility was considered such a crucial attribute for a quarterback, or that he was anything other than a 3rd-string QB who wasn't going to see any game time anyway.

I kinda want to keep the guy, especially if you end up replacing him, but reading this makes me think I should be sacking him ASAP for the greater good of the NT, even though Bandy will probably play every game. Not really sure what to do here. What would you guys suggest?Last edited on 2014-09-06 at 4:55
  

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projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-09-05 23:42:32
Daudy wrote:

I don't know, I just hate ageing for receivers, given it also affects their agility skills. He'll likely be a good depth player, but a few of the "WRs" aren't actually dedicated WRs that would make it on purely that merit (Lambert, Jones, etc) so are of course worse. One could argue that that's why we should have more dedicated WR backups, but it depends on who we bring in.
Understandable, being Cartledge's coach I'm living that issue every friday training update. I'll PM you his physical stats and decline rates.

I saw what ageing did to old NT players (DL Anas Bru & WR Marcel Bianco) that used to play for me, and it's not pretty. I guess it depends on what we find out there, because whilst he'd be good for qualis, we'd basically have deadish weight as depth come the deep tournament proper. So it's a question of whether we have excellent #2 or #3 for qualis and a middling guy as backup for later, or choose a guy who is somewhere in between (probably not as awesome early, but will stay effective if required).

It's currently boiling down to this, Watters in for Taylor 100%. Then Greenham who has less BPOS, less strength, less carrying, but more footwork, vision, positioning, consistency, and same speed + primaries, but NO ageing. He's skills wise up there with Cartledge, and arguably even maybe slightly better especially with the 19 consistency, and by the time crunch time comes around, will have better speed & agility. However, I think even with decline Cartledge will have better strength and is probably the better player as is currently now. Again, the short term boost vs eventual depth.

BUT, I suddenly got a brain wave in regards to the other WR 'depth'. I don't particularly want to drop RB Jones given his versatility (including WR) even though he probably wouldn't start in any of those places (except potentially TE), and Lambert is one of our better KRs that we don't use for other things (though, I'm actually admiring his skills now, and he could actually do a good job at WR if we didn't have the superstars we have).

What if.... I keep Cartledge as a KR and drop KR Gianciracusa? :O It'll appear to everyone we have about 10 WRs on the team, but we'll know what their real roles are. I'm assuming Cartledge has 5* KR BPOS (or close to) given his 'Adequate' note in his profile, so he could probably play the early games as a WR and still maintain good effectiveness later in the competition (but in a different role), and subsequently keep his roster slot.
Cartledge is 5.0 BPOS in WR + RB + KR.

As for SF Bate, his physicals are decent, but actually only total 35 (he's not Kai Harbar who suddenly decided to go HAM and upgrade all his physicals ). Again, by real crunch time if injuries hit, I'm not sure about his ability to fill in. Semantics anyway, as I doubt he'll be starting even if the cup started tomorrow + we have some good talent depth in this position. Been a great player though, really rated his consistency.
Was 37 combo at the start of the season, so maybe 33 combo by end of this season/cycle? You have to talk to the coach to find rates of decline.

TE is sticky, and it's so funny to think that after all these cycles Ramsay Gale may still be on our team due to a chronic lack of talent in that area (so much so I've decided to do something about it, and hopefully we'll see some 5* TEs in a few seasons). I will have a look around, but I think you may be right. I see RB Jones as filling in Anderson's spot and Grose is looking good + Archie is a strong trio for max 2 starting spots. Subsequently, anyone better than Ramsay that is found could replace him (depending on what we do with the spot freed up from using Jones as a replacement rather than a brand new guy). I wonder if Gourdis got his shit together yet?
I think we are just stuffed in this position currently, although I still have 2 developing players physically better than Archie and Grose. Just waiting for those skill to raise.

Maybe we can use that extra spot for another OL in case Johnstone's bot team does get taken over? I could put my Johnson OL in, and maybe if I think it's appropriate put my SF Johnston in I'll do that. Then we can field Johnstone, Johnson, and Johnston!
Between you OL and my OLs, doubtful we'll need to keep him.

As for Mitch Watt, I don't think he necessarily NEEDS to go like Anderson (given decline affects QBs less + Bandy has the same issue, and he's still probably the 2nd best QB there is). If Bandy gets injured for example, I think he'd likely be one we call up. We just have to seriously start asking questions though, because when they do start retiring or agility getting too far gone (he's already lost 2), then we don't want to be left hanging. I think he's likely to stay for this cycle, but as he's planning to retire and on an active team, I don't think we'll see him again. I'm likely dropping Boyle for someone fresh and keep the other two warhorses on the roster. The real debate is who to pick to start in the later games when decline is kicking both Bandy and Watt in the ass. We've been a bit unlucky trying to find successors, with the Wolverines having that good prospect go to waste + another 5* prospect named Flynn Feltham end up on a bot team whilst underdeveloped. I have to have a look at McDougall's build + have a look around at guys like Jolly (who I've never actually looked at), because whilst Ablett and Tenace have been on the radar for ages with good skills and intel, I'm a bit worried about their consistency. It's a dead pity Kamikaze's Jett Bowden is 30 and retiring. If he was a few years younger... he's probably one of the best QBs who have never made an NT. Could probably replace Boyle this cycle, but that really doesn't solve any of the long term issues...
If McDougall doesn't get selected this season, I will probably hunt you down and shoot you. I'll PM you my players stats from the list I provided earlier.

  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-09-06 0:11:56
I was just thinking about the QB and TE situations. Since it look like we cannot find a fourth TE worth adding.

Could we use the spot to add in a fourth QB. I know 4 QBs is overkill. But I find dropping a 30yo QB and keeping both 31yo QBs is ringing alarm bells in my head. Even though both the 31yos are better than the 30yo. but for how long will they be better for with declining stamina?

Having a fourth QB just allows you to not make the decision of dropping a QB, and you make the decisions on QB throughtout the WC cycle.
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-09-06 0:19:38
RB Whitecross technically is a backup STCB. I thought long and hard about dropping him last cycle. Do we need a backup STCB? Can we free up his spot?

If some reason we do need a backup STCB, then CB/G Wall can do it. He will have some more blocking training soonish after some other skill training. But already within 2 stat points of Whitecross on blocking already.

So losing 2 stat points of blocking for a backup STCB, but gaining a whole extra roster spot...
  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-09-06 3:45:19
Bloodbeak, you're not responsible for what's happening to Mitch Watt really. He's ageing, and that's a process all teams have to deal with. The alternative was he goes to a newish team and bankrupts them and/or to a team which is quitting (the latter being unlikely due to why would people buy him without knowing what they were doing?). You did what you think is best for your club, and being worried about it is silly because the 'best case scenario' was basically morally iffy or even worse, on the exploitive side.

We might be able to cram in 4 QBs, that's an intriguing idea. McDougall is probably in, but that agility man... I was thinking of going with Bandy/McDougall/Bowden, but throwing Watt in could be an option.

We have one extra slot from the TEs (we'll still have 4, but they're on the team already) which might go to OL (given I think Johnstone is worth keeping on the team, but his bot team future may be up in the air). The CB point is a good one, but I think Whitecross will stay. Likely Dyas or Pendlebury go (likely Dyas). Whitecross has the same consistency/stamina (20), higher points in primaries, higher positioning, more speed, a lot more blocking, but less vision + strength. He's also still got max training points available at his age, so could see upside. I doubt we'll see Mr Wall as a gunner/STCB, but it depends highly on how Cooper Hooker has come along (and even then). Regardless, we could probably drop a CB for the 4 QB idea.

The current list is very much in progress, and actually me just looking at people and updating my notes rather than choosing anybody properly.
  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-09-06 4:36:25
Likely changes:

DL A. Riggio out, DL Z. Hudson in
Hudson is pretty much an upgrade in all areas and also has 5* BPOS. Likely to start or be close to contention for doing so.

DL/SF M. Betts out, DL A. Hughes in
Betts was a good NT, but one dimensional and guys like Burgoyne beat him in most things. A. Hughes is a different kind of player, but a pretty decent looking one. Not worried about one fewer SF option, given Betts was only really a SF in name for the NT and we have depth there even with Bate leaving.

WR L. Taylor out, WR M. Watters in
Watters is a good 5* WR owned by a good club owner/builder. Taylor is unfulfilled potential on a bot team

TE J. Anderson out, OL A. Holland in
The TE that defied all odds retires from NT, and an extra OL for depth comes in due to the uncertainty of Johnstone

OL R. Ottens out, OL. G. Johnson in
Pretty much a direct upgrade

QB P. Boyle out, QB McDougall in
Old with the new. P Boyle more rounded at the moment, but McDougall has better basics (esp. much better consistency) and upside

SF Bate out, SF someone in
He's out for sure, just have to decide who to put in instead.

Potential changes:

QB Watt/CB Dyas out, QB J. Bowden in
This change is probably going to happen, just have to decide who goes

WR Cartledge/KR Gianciracusa out, WR Greenham in
This may or may not happen. If we don't include Greenham, we'll have a strong 3 WRs, and I'm actually impressed by how Lambert's (who plays KR for us normally) build has come along and he'd also make a decent WR for four total (not including Cartledge if he's still there). I think Lambert is probably better than Greenham.

LB Somi out, LB someone in
He's skilled, just not the best athlete. Our depth guys have mostly improved as well (with Burrows especially pushing for a starting spot), so we'll see what's out there. Current LBs on the radar are either not good or a bit underskilled.

OL Roughhead out, OL in
How much do we value minor skills in OLs vs potentially higher primaries and potentially more speed? Has high consistency too, but if there's an upgrade we'll make the switch.




I still haven't actually had a look around the world for talent yet. Just been going through some of Project's list (particularly those I hadn't seen before) and following up on my own lists (with some crossover between both our lists obviously).
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-09-06 13:06:06
Seems sorted. Keep us posted please.
  
 
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