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projectrracing
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Posted on 2015-08-20 13:14:42
Once you start playing with multipliers, things get messy. The strength of the regions continues to change. And the only way to really judge it is AFLC. Which can sometimes be a crap shoot.

Then you get into disagreement about which group should be higher or lower. Even I just looked at you groups and was surprized how you ranked them for multipliers. 5-6 seasons ago, yes. But recently the big 3 isn't the big 3 anymore for example. And I wouldn't rate Balkins equal to Oceania.

Just typing that showed the mess involved with multipliers. haha

It should be about whom just makes an impact on the game. Sure wins will do it. But that is why we paid attention to those impact teams in the first place.
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 14:33:30
Well, multipliers are quite messy but to keep things simple I kept them equal between seasons. I think for example Oceania now is more top heavy than a few seasons ago when Slumbering Skinks dominated, and definitely stronger than Balkans In smaller region is more difficult to get on par with more established teams so it's quite difficult to win titles there, but the best teams in those region have better shots at titles and at AFCL. A bad season for your team means 4th place while in ASE or NA could mean demotion
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:28:31
hosh13 wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

I think Mr Ortiz has a valid point. In the pts that I suggested:

IB win:5
IB runner up: 2
TD champ: 1-2 pts
Cup champ: 2-3 pts

Then you would tier the regions, based on perceived difficulty level and assign a multiplier based on strength. This would only apply to the cup and TD points any team would have. The IB points should stand alone, as they are even strength for all that make it to the coveted IB finals. So I would suggest 3 levels of difficulty for regions, such as Level 1 would be a multiplier of 1. Level 2 would be a multiplier of .5 (meaning that in those regions, teams would have to win twice as many cups and TD trophies to be considered. Level 3 would be a multiplier of .25 (meaning they would have to win 4 trophies to equal 1 of the top level). This is just a suggestion, but it would reward teams of great longevity in those regions, but they would have to be here a really long time to accomplish that.




Completely disagree with putting either a TD of Cup title at or above an IB r/u. The IB r/u has basically won a 1 round Super TD title!

Probably the best way to grade the regions would be using the results of a given regions teams in the following AFLC. You could maybe use the 2 teams avg win % as a multiplier for the previous season's Cup and TD titles?



Yeah, you are right, the IB runner up is of more value than a TD or RC winner.

Perhaps 5 pts to IB winner, 3 pts to IB runner up, 2 pts for RC winner and 1 pt for TD title.
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:31:19
hosh13 wrote:

@ Gtr - interesting that you undervalue TD yet have 3 Cups and 1 TD title!

Also, I think a lot of the comments on what I have suggested forget that at least 1 IB appearance is required irrespective of all else.

Any manager that makes it to the WC finals is pretty handy imo. If a manager had made the final of both an IB and WC, would that not be HOF worthy? Don't forget, the qualification I set was WC "finalist", not just WC finals.



It's not that I undervalue TD titles, I just think the cups are harder to come by. I self admittedly think that I have been extremely lucky in the cups and if I have to be fair, extremely unlucky in TD titles. I've been never lower than 3rd and missed out on the TD title several times by just one game, including a season that I benched my starting QB to teach him a lesson, lmao (I was the one that learned the lesson......these players don't have feelings)
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:36:07
LucaF wrote:

A few months ago I tried to implement something similar to some proposals..with a few tweaks and updates here is the result:
I used this arbitrary ranking system:
Ironbowl win: 5 pts
Ironbowl rr: 2 pts
League/Cup: 1 pts with multipliers: 2x (CE, ASE, NAm); 1x (CSAm, E-B, Oc, EE); 0.5x (Asia,Af&Ar)

RANKING (top 20):
1 Guanacos 30
2 Grizzlys de St Laurent 27
3 Sparta Nijkerk 26
t4 Wilhelmshaven Seawolves 24
Badgers 24
t6 Hakers 17
San Diego Blitzkrieg 17
t8 Rotterdam Bashers 15
Mordland Colders 15
Orlando Gators 15
t11 New York Midgets 12
WKS Slask Wroclaw 12
t13 Slumbering Skink 11
Zarnovica Terminators 11
Monsters of Midway 11
16 Reservoir Docs 10
17 Weasels 9
18 Kentucky Thoroughbreds 8
19 Bat Yam Raiders 7,5
t20 Westside Wildcats 7
Kasztelan Poznan 7
Ostankino Emo Duck-Bills 7
Green Bay Blazers 7

It's nice to have a point system, but in my opinion it isn't essential since there is no way to determine the strenght of a region and simply being in a HoF is an impressive achievement!
btw, the current top15 in the HoF is pretty much spot on the only change is Kasztelan Poznan out, Monsters of Midway in..Against MoM is that they never won a league title (but they faced 2/3 hall of famer every season), while Poznan consistency (cup in s.2,12,14, title in s.13,15) could be rewarded. I can see Abcat point in including K.Poznan, but it could mean 2-3 teams with similar achievements should be considered




Pretty good, even with the adjustments, you still have Guanacos on top and perhaps they belong there, but it would be interesting to see if they were in a tougher region, where they would stand and would they have all those AFLC opportunities. Nice work
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:40:44
Gatr22 wrote:

hosh13 wrote:

@ Gtr - interesting that you undervalue TD yet have 3 Cups and 1 TD title!

Also, I think a lot of the comments on what I have suggested forget that at least 1 IB appearance is required irrespective of all else.

Any manager that makes it to the WC finals is pretty handy imo. If a manager had made the final of both an IB and WC, would that not be HOF worthy? Don't forget, the qualification I set was WC "finalist", not just WC finals.



It's not that I undervalue TD titles, I just think the cups are harder to come by. I self admittedly think that I have been extremely lucky in the cups and if I have to be fair, extremely unlucky in TD titles. I've been never lower than 3rd and missed out on the TD title several times by just one game, including a season that I benched my starting QB to teach him a lesson, lmao (I was the one that learned the lesson......these players don't have feelings)



By definition they are pretty close as they both have a winner in each region each season. I think the cup is more down to luck though as any side can have a bad game. The Weasels and Grizzlies are the two top sides in ASE and as such have dominated the TD for a good few seasons but other sides have managed to get by them in the cup. With no offense to the great work Rocky did to win the cup, does anyone think he matches up to the Grizzlies line up? The two previous winners of the cup are Rocky and Winds but I reckon a lot of people expect the Weasels/Grizzlies to keep up the standard they have set themselves (though both are very very good sides).

It is just the nature of a cup, look at the FA/League cup versus the premier league. It gives some slightly weaker sides a better chance. I feel like I am being harsh on cup winners here- you still have to be a good side to win and it should be worth credit to get into the HOF but I feel the TD is a fairer representation of a sides strength.
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:48:13
Everyone has their opinion
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 16:50:49
Gatr22 wrote:

hosh13 wrote:

@ Gtr - interesting that you undervalue TD yet have 3 Cups and 1 TD title!

Also, I think a lot of the comments on what I have suggested forget that at least 1 IB appearance is required irrespective of all else.

Any manager that makes it to the WC finals is pretty handy imo. If a manager had made the final of both an IB and WC, would that not be HOF worthy? Don't forget, the qualification I set was WC "finalist", not just WC finals.



It's not that I undervalue TD titles, I just think the cups are harder to come by. I self admittedly think that I have been extremely lucky in the cups and if I have to be fair, extremely unlucky in TD titles. I've been never lower than 3rd and missed out on the TD title several times by just one game, including a season that I benched my starting QB to teach him a lesson, lmao (I was the one that learned the lesson......these players don't have feelings)



In TD you play week after week some of the best team of your region.

And you have a luck factor with the cup.

It's my opinion but TD's titles are as hard to get than Cups

In TD you need regularity in Cup you need to be great and a lot of luck

I would give both 2 pts

WC are hard to rate because the Hall of Fame is for coach

When you build your team your are in total control but in WC it's a country effort

For exemple in season 2 even if Spain finish second their Coach was brillant and should have score more points than the UK coach who win the WC.

For me WC is an award for country not coach

But it's my point of view
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 17:12:03
I kind of like how LucaF already did it, pretty much nailed it if you ask me and matches actual HoF pretty well
  
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Posted on 2015-08-20 19:27:49
Christy wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

hosh13 wrote:

@ Gtr - interesting that you undervalue TD yet have 3 Cups and 1 TD title!

Also, I think a lot of the comments on what I have suggested forget that at least 1 IB appearance is required irrespective of all else.

Any manager that makes it to the WC finals is pretty handy imo. If a manager had made the final of both an IB and WC, would that not be HOF worthy? Don't forget, the qualification I set was WC "finalist", not just WC finals.



It's not that I undervalue TD titles, I just think the cups are harder to come by. I self admittedly think that I have been extremely lucky in the cups and if I have to be fair, extremely unlucky in TD titles. I've been never lower than 3rd and missed out on the TD title several times by just one game, including a season that I benched my starting QB to teach him a lesson, lmao (I was the one that learned the lesson......these players don't have feelings)



By definition they are pretty close as they both have a winner in each region each season. I think the cup is more down to luck though as any side can have a bad game. The Weasels and Grizzlies are the two top sides in ASE and as such have dominated the TD for a good few seasons but other sides have managed to get by them in the cup. With no offense to the great work Rocky did to win the cup, does anyone think he matches up to the Grizzlies line up? The two previous winners of the cup are Rocky and Winds but I reckon a lot of people expect the Weasels/Grizzlies to keep up the standard they have set themselves (though both are very very good sides).

It is just the nature of a cup, look at the FA/League cup versus the premier league. It gives some slightly weaker sides a better chance. I feel like I am being harsh on cup winners here- you still have to be a good side to win and it should be worth credit to get into the HOF but I feel the TD is a fairer representation of a sides strength.



I agree with the real world application of the cup example, but I disagree with it in the game here. Season in and season out in the TD, my team has been in the hunt, never less than 3rd. In the cup, my team has been out in the 3rd round and the 5th round while playing in the TD. My team has won the NA cup 4 out of the last 6 seasons and I would have to say, with the exception of this season, it was never a walk in the park. I beat some really good teams. Admittedly I have had some great luck in games with my team showing up regularly for these games. So if it was so easy, there would be a ton of teams with 4 cup wins in a difficult region, yet that is not the case. Perhaps it's best to just weigh them both the same difficulty and give the extra boost to IB winner and runner up, as those are easily the hardest mountain we all hope to scale
  
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